tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post113082424369005116..comments2023-05-10T11:37:16.077+02:00Comments on Impart Art - Daily: Smart art Stupid artMary Annhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14919523046521696675noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post-1131078618719041952005-11-04T06:30:00.000+02:002005-11-04T06:30:00.000+02:00I don't consider myself an artist. I am more of a ...I don't consider myself an artist. I am more of a mediocre graphic designer.Dave M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00777130159879692920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post-1131032530618621302005-11-03T17:42:00.000+02:002005-11-03T17:42:00.000+02:00i would have to disagree with dave on his art is g...i would have to disagree with dave on his art is good/bad approach. in fact, by its nature art is neither good nor bad. perhaps this is the professional musician in me, but i don't get paid to judge a piece of music good or bad, i get paid to play it well. can you play a bad piece well? obviously. i'm not sure what the analogy to visual art is, but good/bad is a very superficial, and might i say, unsophisticated, way of appreciating art. in fact, i prefer the word appreciate to i like/don't like. not all art will immediately appeal to your innate sense of good/bad. if the urinal makes you think or see the world from a new perspective, then it is to be appreciated on some level. that's about as objective as an artist can get.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02695511274839749248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post-1131030467950644922005-11-03T17:07:00.000+02:002005-11-03T17:07:00.000+02:00Dave, you seem to have turned your back on the ent...Dave, you seem to have turned your back on the entire contemporary art scene. You write about them (fellow artists, critics, etc.) as though they are the enemy and have taken stolen your lolipop. <BR/><BR/>Your views on art are by no means unique. Many poeple agree with you about Piss Christ and Fountain. But the thing is that most of those people don't care about art. As an artist yourself, I would expect that you would at least give other artist enough respect to <I>try</I> to understand what they were doing and why they did it. If you did that, you would find that both the works you have objected to actually are thought provoking.Mary Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14919523046521696675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post-1130967030686823212005-11-02T23:30:00.000+02:002005-11-02T23:30:00.000+02:00Well first of all the BBC has no credibility with ...Well first of all the BBC has no credibility with me. Not one of the 500 "art experts" were named in that article. Just because it is printed doesn't mean it is true or important.<BR/><BR/>The way I define good art is that it is uplifting, thought provoking or convays a message of importance.<BR/><BR/>So far I have not been commission to any type of art. I know a lot of artists who get commissioned all the time. It's usually something along the lines of going with the decor in the persons home. <BR/><BR/>Goog/bad is universally applicable if consider something to be right or wrong.<BR/><BR/>Some people think that "Piss Christ" has important implications and should be considered fine art. Just by the person making that judgment in my mind makes them completely outside the relm of rational thinking. Also I know that the type of art people like says alot about who they are inside. This is true for what people listen to and what they look at.<BR/><BR/>So I am left with my orginal thought, who does the "art" appeal to? Do I want to be lumped in with that crowd?Dave M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00777130159879692920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post-1130932037823934612005-11-02T13:47:00.000+02:002005-11-02T13:47:00.000+02:00Matthew, you sent me on something of a wild goose ...Matthew, you sent me on something of a wild goose chase, but <A HREF="http://www.artscienceresearchlab.org/articles/betacourt.htm" REL="nofollow">here</A> it is. <BR/><BR/>You'll have to skim, scroll, and sift through all the garbage to find it, but in 1918 a critic claimed it had been shown, but it actually never had been. Fountain remained in the artist's studio, and wasn't included in any of the publications about the exhibit. It was well and truly rejected.Mary Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14919523046521696675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post-1130930767860760432005-11-02T13:26:00.000+02:002005-11-02T13:26:00.000+02:00Dave, read this.Dave, read <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/arts/4059997.stm" REL="nofollow">this</A>.Mary Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14919523046521696675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post-1130916425256465342005-11-02T09:27:00.000+02:002005-11-02T09:27:00.000+02:00It's my recollection that the duchamp piece teeeee...It's my recollection that the duchamp piece teeeeechnically was shown. I think they had it behind a screen or something, but was in the gallery. Not that this distinction is relevant to your point, the whole aspect of how the gallery reacted is unaffected.<BR/><BR/>Dave,<BR/><BR/>How do you define good/bad art? What if you were tasked with entering something into a gallery competition that tested their established definitions of art? What if I commissioned you to enter something that was certain to be rejected? In that case, the DuChamp piece then becomes good art, and the Monet becomes bad art. Point being these unilateral good/bad labels are not universally applicable, they depend on the context. Even so, they are of limited value.<BR/><BR/>Remember, only a Sith thinks in absolutes. =)Matthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15873264637235332589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post-1130910209529626032005-11-02T07:43:00.000+02:002005-11-02T07:43:00.000+02:00Josh has very aptly pointed to one of my humanisti...Josh has very aptly pointed to one of my humanistic deficiencies. I don't know anything about music except how to play a violin--I play well--but that's like being an artist who knows nothing about art history or any medium but the one they favor. Thanks for sharing a comparison from your knowledge of music.<BR/><BR/>It makes me think of another problematic point in art history. Thanks, Josh, for jogging my memory.<BR/><BR/>Kate, can I come to dinner? I'd love to be in on that discussion.Mary Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14919523046521696675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post-1130888386175235662005-11-02T01:39:00.000+02:002005-11-02T01:39:00.000+02:00This would make a great dinner converstation topic...This would make a great dinner converstation topic. I'll have to write it on one napkin in a stack and hope it is used at our next dinner with guests. Both are excellent examples of the smart/stupid art.Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208014592479360128noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post-1130884609892808922005-11-02T00:36:00.000+02:002005-11-02T00:36:00.000+02:00I only see art as good or bad. I can't see art as ...I only see art as good or bad. I can't see art as being smart or dumb. I can see design being smart or dumb but not art. I ask myself who does this "art" appeal to.<BR/><BR/>I think if the art exhibit would not turn anything away then it is not a juried exhibit.<BR/><BR/>That urinal is not art and it is dumb on many levels.Dave M.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00777130159879692920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17520917.post-1130857698388758812005-11-01T17:08:00.000+02:002005-11-01T17:08:00.000+02:00it's a shame that impressionism has become cliche....it's a shame that impressionism has become cliche. it is basically the magic eye pictures of the last century. i think those artists fell victim to the notion that art must deal with the unsavory (think million dollar baby=oscar). even their philosophy dealt with shades of beauty, not shades of emotion. shades of emotion was, however, the focus of the musical "impressionists" debussy and ravel and symbolist poets. perhaps the intangible nature of the subject of music and poetry has helped sustain the smartness of their art (they thoroughly disdained the label 'impressionist'). a waterlily, no matter how innovative, will always appeal to the 'stupid' crowd. though, i'm sure clair de lune would work magnificently in one's bathroom.Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02695511274839749248noreply@blogger.com